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"Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:24 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
All of a sudden people feel they are entitled to talk shit to people on the basis for race and ethnicity because Trump's elected?
Except for a few incidents, this stuff doesn't seem to be documented. I'm calling bullshit on the sudden widespread surge in this. I think the majority of this is made up and is another expression of 'protest' against Trump winning the election.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:47 pm
by Turdacious
Lotta money in clickbait.
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Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:48 pm
by johno
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:All of a sudden people feel they are entitled to talk shit to people on the basis for race and ethnicity because Trump's elected?
Except for a few incidents, this stuff doesn't seem to be documented. I'm calling bullshit on the sudden widespread surge in this. I think the majority of this is made up and is another expression of 'protest' against Trump winning the election.
Racist. Check your privilege.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:55 pm
by dead man walking
let's focus on a false charge or two rather than note the upsurge in overt racism and bigotry, spurred by the rhetoric of our new president who called mexicans rapists and urged the ban of people based on their religion.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:00 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
Let's notice that there is really no evidence in upticks in bigotry and racism except self-reported by SJW attention whore types.
Assholes on Nov 8 are still assholes on Nov 9
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:07 pm
by dead man walking
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:13 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
Falls under 'assholes on nov 8 are still assholes on nov 9' category
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:19 pm
by Schlegel
There is some. I bet it'll die down after this first wave of idiots demonstrates people continue to disapprove in exactly the same percentages as before. They'll learn. 3 campus cops here thought it would be alright to chant through their bullhorns at UVA students while in uniform and on the clock and are now suspended. Even if you were to say nothing objectionable (I don't know yet what was actually said), get off the clock and use your own bullhorn, dude.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:20 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
Shaf was quite a bit more credulous about the non-existent Knockout game.
Determining something to be a hate crime requires investigation. This stuff has just happened. No doubt there will be some people lying. There's also a fair amount of documented evidence, however, and I doubt that every single instance just happened to happen when a camera was running. That Muslim UW-Stout student is also not secretly alive with Biggie and 2Pac - he was beaten to death.
Time will tell what the reality is, but once that guy laughed at the (knucklehead) 15-year old female protestor who'd been maced and called her a nigger lover, while he knew he was being filmed, I figured people are worse than expected.
Trump deliberately spun this up, and deliberately isn't condemning it. There's a reason the KKK is having a parade.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:23 pm
by dead man walking
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Falls under 'assholes on nov 8 are still assholes on nov 9' category
an awful lot of assholes. . .
some of whom are now emboldened to engage in eggregious, even criminal, behavior. the stories about school kids are troublesome because you know they simply reflect the views of the troglodytes who bred them.
it's noteworthy that 3 white nba coaches have spoken out against trump. i think it is not by chance that they are guys who work with black athletes.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:44 pm
by milosz
If everything that happens post-Trump can just be attributed to "assholes still being assholes" then you will, by definition, not find the uptick in Trump-related incidents you're looking for, because you already defined them all as separate.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:49 pm
by milosz
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation ... story.html
Shit like this didn't happen during Romney or McCain's campaigns.
Trump did not cause this - when I was in high school there were a shit-ton of rednecks who delighted in saying racist shit, either because they were actually racist or because it got them attention. Kids are stupid. Of course, my racists also didn't essentially hold miniature white-power rallies because they knew that the roughly half-white/half-black football team would have kicked their asses. That's an emboldenment that comes with the Trumpening of America - now they (or their parents) feel protected to say in public the things they were only 'safe' to say in private before.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:24 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
While people marched 4-5 blacks killed other blacks in Chicago.
But yelling 'Build a wall!' is the hate crime.
Keep worrying about a dumb kid spray painting 'nigger' on a wall
Spells, you kill me. 'credulous about knock out' .
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:34 pm
by milosz
There are constant protests from the black community in Chicago about violence there.
What are those actions going to do about crime wrought by the drug war? How are black pastors supposed to stop people from shooting at each other?
If anything they're even more ceremonial and useless than anti-Trump protests (at this stage in the game - organized dissent can be valuable over the next few years but blowing everyone's load now isn't going to help).
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:37 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:While people marched 4-5 blacks killed other blacks in Chicago.
There it goes again. How many blacks were killing each other in Portland? People were marching everywhere.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:38 pm
by milosz
Pretty sure the party that has had the biggest hard-on for the Drug War for 40 years isn't going to take any of the steps that would actually curb gang violence - they can't even stomach common-sense public health shit like needle exchanges (and those help white people!).
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:41 pm
by dead man walking
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:While people marched 4-5 blacks killed other blacks in Chicago.
But yelling 'Build a wall!' is the hate crime.
Keep worrying about a dumb kid spray painting 'nigger' on a wall
Spells, you kill me. 'credulous about knock out' .
your logic, if there is any, eludes me.
are you saying that because black crime in chicago is intractable, society should ignore odious, racist behavior elsewhere?
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:42 pm
by Boris
Pretty easy to sit back and say it's all bullshit when you're not affected...
People I know, students I know, family have been targeted - sure, maybe the uptick is just coincidental. Maybe my family members living in the same neighborhood for over a decade should expect assholes to leave racist graffiti at least once and this year just happens to be their lucky year. People leaving 'make america great again' and 'go back to mexico' on the student's dorm room door probably had nothing to do with Trump either.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:50 pm
by DrDonkeyLove
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:All of a sudden people feel they are entitled to talk shit to people on the basis for race and ethnicity because Trump's elected?
Except for a few incidents, this stuff doesn't seem to be documented. I'm calling bullshit on the sudden widespread surge in this. I think the majority of this is made up and is another expression of 'protest' against Trump winning the election.
This woman would agree. Nothing comforts Progs more than finding white male racism or rapings. Unfortunately, many of them are lies stoked for political purposes (see Duke Lacrosse team & UVA fraternity rape as prime examples). Since crying wolf is a legitimate tactic of the left, true victims may fail to receive any justice when real incidents occur.
This, on the other hand, gets nothing but left wing crickets. Whatever the real reason for this beat down of an old white man by multiple young black males, allegedly "voting Trump" was considered an act worthy of justifying a violent ass kicking.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:57 pm
by milosz
So, like, did you read the headline or just find the first link?
"Chicago police said they are investigating an battery caught on video that stemmed from a traffic-related altercation — not from discussing politics."
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:05 pm
by DrDonkeyLove
milosz wrote:So, like, did you read the headline or just find the first link?
"Chicago police said they are investigating an battery caught on video that stemmed from a traffic-related altercation — not from discussing politics."
I listened to what was said on the tape which justified the beating. It very well may have been the result of a traffic incident and the white guy could have been a complete dick for all any of us know.
Then I asked myself how the incident would have been reported if multiple young white men beat an old black man for any reason and someone heard the word nigger or Obama or Trump from the whites. My guess is very different reportage.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:06 pm
by JohnDoe
Boris wrote:Pretty easy to sit back and say it's all bullshit when you're not affected...
People I know, students I know, family have been targeted - sure, maybe the uptick is just coincidental. Maybe my family members living in the same neighborhood for over a decade should expect assholes to leave racist graffiti at least once and this year just happens to be their lucky year. People leaving 'make america great again' and 'go back to mexico' on the student's dorm room door probably had nothing to do with Trump either.
We had a few issues at my school this week. Trumpy kids are definitely emboldened and have been saying things that have no place in a school to kids who have every right to have a place in school.
Bannon as 'Chief Strategist' is concerning as well.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:19 pm
by milosz
DrDonkeyLove wrote:
Then I asked myself how the incident would have been reported if multiple young white men beat an old black man for any reason and someone heard the word nigger or Obama or Trump from the whites. My guess is very different reportage.
Ahhh, so you were really just using a non-sequitur to express something you're absolutely sure would be the case. Cool.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:34 pm
by dead man walking
DrDonkeyLove wrote: Nothing comforts Progs more than finding white male racism or rapings. Unfortunately, many of them are lies stoked for political purposes (see Duke Lacrosse team & UVA fraternity rape as prime examples). Since crying wolf is a legitimate tactic of the left, true victims may fail to receive any justice when real incidents occur.
you first statement is a meaningless generalization, more likely a red herring.
"lies stoked for political purposes" is another statement largely unsupported by facts relevant today. pulling out duke and u va, which don't have anything to do with the current political climate, is pure illogic.
then you conclude with a cliche, i.e. crying wolf, which is the wrong metaphor, since there's actually is a wolf causing people's anxiety. perhaps people are over-reacting, but there demonstrably is something to react to.
i don't understand why it is so difficult for some of you to acknowlege that we're seeing a concerning number of racist incidents and that trump's racist statements during the campaign may play a role in what's occurring.
the other thing i don't understand is why i bother to post shit here.
Re: "Hate" Crimes?
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:34 pm
by milosz