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All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:24 pm
by Turdacious
More than 5,000 of you nominated. More than 60,000 of you voted. And now the results are in. The winners of NPR's Top 100 Science-Fiction and Fantasy survey are an intriguing mix of classic and contemporary titles. Over on NPR's pop culture blog, Monkey See, you can find one fan's thoughts on how the list shaped up, get our experts' take, and have the chance to share your own.
A quick word about what's here, and what's not: Our panel of experts reviewed hundreds of the most popular nominations and tossed out those that didn't fit the survey's criteria (after — we assure you — much passionate, thoughtful, gleefully nerdy discussion). You'll notice there are no young adult or horror books on this list, but sit tight, dear reader, we're saving those genres for summers yet to come.
http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843 ... tasy-books
Discuss. Just me, but I thought Slaughterhouse Five was horrible. Need to add some of the others to my reading list though. List definitely needs some Frank Miller though.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:27 pm
by Turdacious
1. The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy, by J.R.R. Tolkien
2. The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, by Douglas Adams
3. Ender's Game, by Orson Scott Card
4. The Dune Chronicles, by Frank Herbert
5. A Song Of Ice And Fire Series, by George R. R. Martin
6. 1984, by George Orwell
7. Fahrenheit 451, by Ray Bradbury
8. The Foundation Trilogy, by Isaac Asimov
9. Brave New World, by Aldous Huxley
10. American Gods, by Neil Gaiman
11. The Princess Bride, by William Goldman
12. The Wheel Of Time Series, by Robert Jordan
13. Animal Farm, by George Orwell
14. Neuromancer, by William Gibson
15. Watchmen, by Alan Moore
16. I, Robot, by Isaac Asimov
17. Stranger In A Strange Land, by Robert Heinlein
18. The Kingkiller Chronicles, by Patrick Rothfuss
19. Slaughterhouse-Five, by Kurt Vonnegut
20. Frankenstein, by Mary Shelley
21. Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?, by Philip K. Dick
22. The Handmaid's Tale, by Margaret Atwood
23. The Dark Tower Series, by Stephen King
24. 2001: A Space Odyssey, by Arthur C. Clarke
25. The Stand, by Stephen King
26. Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson
27. The Martian Chronicles, by Ray Bradbury
28. Cat's Cradle, by Kurt Vonnegut
29. The Sandman Series, by Neil Gaiman
30. A Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess
31. Starship Troopers, by Robert Heinlein
32. Watership Down, by Richard Adams
33. Dragonflight, by Anne McCaffrey
34. The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, by Robert Heinlein
35. A Canticle For Leibowitz, by Walter M. Miller
36. The Time Machine, by H.G. Wells
37. 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, by Jules Verne
38. Flowers For Algernon, by Daniel Keys
39. The War Of The Worlds, by H.G. Wells
40. The Chronicles Of Amber, by Roger Zelazny
41. The Belgariad, by David Eddings
42. The Mists Of Avalon, by Marion Zimmer Bradley
43. The Mistborn Series, by Brandon Sanderson
44. Ringworld, by Larry Niven
45. The Left Hand Of Darkness, by Ursula K. LeGuin
46. The Silmarillion, by J.R.R. Tolkien
47. The Once And Future King, by T.H. White
48. Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman
49. Childhood's End, by Arthur C. Clarke
50. Contact, by Carl Sagan
51. The Hyperion Cantos, by Dan Simmons
52. Stardust, by Neil Gaiman
53. Cryptonomicon, by Neal Stephenson
54. World War Z, by Max Brooks
55. The Last Unicorn, by Peter S. Beagle
56. The Forever War, by Joe Haldeman
57. Small Gods, by Terry Pratchett
58. The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever, by Stephen R. Donaldson
59. The Vorkosigan Saga, by Lois McMaster Bujold
60. Going Postal, by Terry Pratchett
61. The Mote In God's Eye, by Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle
62. The Sword Of Truth, by Terry Goodkind
63. The Road, by Cormac McCarthy
64. Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell, by Susanna Clarke
65. I Am Legend, by Richard Matheson
66. The Riftwar Saga, by Raymond E. Feist
67. The Shannara Trilogy, by Terry Brooks
68. The Conan The Barbarian Series, by R.E. Howard
69. The Farseer Trilogy, by Robin Hobb
70. The Time Traveler's Wife, by Audrey Niffenegger
71. The Way Of Kings, by Brandon Sanderson
72. A Journey To The Center Of The Earth, by Jules Verne
73. The Legend Of Drizzt Series, by R.A. Salvatore
74. Old Man's War, by John Scalzi
75. The Diamond Age, by Neil Stephenson
76. Rendezvous With Rama, by Arthur C. Clarke
77. The Kushiel's Legacy Series, by Jacqueline Carey
78. The Dispossessed, by Ursula K. LeGuin
79. Something Wicked This Way Comes, by Ray Bradbury
80. Wicked, by Gregory Maguire
81. The Malazan Book Of The Fallen Series, by Steven Erikson
82. The Eyre Affair, by Jasper Fforde
83. The Culture Series, by Iain M. Banks
84. The Crystal Cave, by Mary Stewart
85. Anathem, by Neal Stephenson
86. The Codex Alera Series, by Jim Butcher
87. The Book Of The New Sun, by Gene Wolfe
88. The Thrawn Trilogy, by Timothy Zahn
89. The Outlander Series, by Diana Gabaldan
90. The Elric Saga, by Michael Moorcock
91. The Illustrated Man, by Ray Bradbury
92. Sunshine, by Robin McKinley
93. A Fire Upon The Deep, by Vernor Vinge
94. The Caves Of Steel, by Isaac Asimov
95. The Mars Trilogy, by Kim Stanley Robinson
96. Lucifer's Hammer, by Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle
97. Doomsday Book, by Connie Willis
98. Perdido Street Station, by China Mieville
99. The Xanth Series, by Piers Anthony
100. The Space Trilogy, by C.S. Lewis
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:59 pm
by Fat Cat
lot of good memories included on that list...have to check out some of the ones I haven't read. I recently reread The Hobbit after 20 years and was surprised at how it was a work of children's literature more than fantasy.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:01 am
by Schlegel
Turdacious wrote:
12. The Wheel Of Time Series, by Robert Jordan
22. The Handmaid's Tale, by Margaret Atwood
25. The Stand, by Stephen King
26. Snow Crash, by Neal Stephenson
41. The Belgariad, by David Eddings
42. The Mists Of Avalon, by Marion Zimmer Bradley
43. The Mistborn Series, by Brandon Sanderson
46. The Silmarillion, by J.R.R. Tolkien
48. Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman
50. Contact, by Carl Sagan
52. Stardust, by Neil Gaiman
53. Cryptonomicon, by Neal Stephenson
54. World War Z, by Max Brooks
58. The Chronicles Of Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever, by Stephen R. Donaldson
62. The Sword Of Truth, by Terry Goodkind
63. The Road, by Cormac McCarthy
64. Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell, by Susanna Clarke
67. The Shannara Trilogy, by Terry Brooks
69. The Farseer Trilogy, by Robin Hobb
70. The Time Traveler's Wife, by Audrey Niffenegger
73. The Legend Of Drizzt Series, by R.A. Salvatore
75. The Diamond Age, by Neil Stephenson
76. Rendezvous With Rama, by Arthur C. Clarke
77. The Kushiel's Legacy Series, by Jacqueline Carey
78. The Dispossessed, by Ursula K. LeGuin
80. Wicked, by Gregory Maguire
85. Anathem, by Neal Stephenson
89. The Outlander Series, by Diana Gabaldan
99. The Xanth Series, by Piers Anthony
100. The Space Trilogy, by C.S. Lewis
These do not belong in the top 100. I'm not saying all the others do, but these do not.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:58 am
by Alfred_E._Neuman
Fat Cat wrote:lot of good memories included on that list...have to check out some of the ones I haven't read. I recently reread The Hobbit after 20 years and was surprised at how it was a work of children's literature more than fantasy.
The Hobbit was originally intended to be children's story, based on characters Tolkien made up for his kid's bedtime stories. He went back and re-worked the book to have the ring fall into Bilbo's hands after the idea of The Lord of the Rings began to flesh out.
There's a ton of stuff on that list I need to read. And some of it I have read I don't think belongs in the top 100 Sci-Fi/Fantasy of all time. It would be cool to go down the list and check off all the ones I haven't gotten to yet over the next year or so.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:56 am
by Holland Oates
1. Starship Troopers
2. Dune
The rest are details.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:26 pm
by Turdacious
Fat Cat wrote:lot of good memories included on that list...have to check out some of the ones I haven't read. I recently reread The Hobbit after 20 years and was surprised at how it was a work of children's literature more than fantasy.
Agree. Skimming through that list reminded me that I need to reread some Bradbury.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:49 pm
by Schlegel
The omission of Fritz Leiber is a travesty.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:08 am
by nafod
Ed Zachary wrote:1. Starship Troopers
2. Dune
The rest are details.
I'd definitely put
Starship Troopers well ahead of
Ender's Game, which I read recently. Bleh.
Dune was awesome and still is. It's where I learned about all those jihadi terms.
I read the crap out of this book, about had it memorized as a kid.

Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:29 am
by Shafpocalypse Now
Schlegel and I agree here.
Omitting Leiber is ludicrious.
Also, Manly Wade Wellman.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:27 am
by vern
Just me, but I thought Slaughterhouse Five was horrible.
So it goes.
Put Dune at the top and I'm cool with the list.
I also think that Herbert's 'The Santaroga Barrier' is one of his best after the Dune books.

Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:31 am
by Turdacious
Hate to do this, but I think this thread needs some rules. If you're gonna recommend an author for the list, please add some recommended books.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:16 am
by Schlegel
Fine- Fritz Lieber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser books. Start with "Swords and Deviltry.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:52 pm
by TerryB
My favorite part of Starship Troopers is the shower scene with the chick Charlie Sheen had kids with.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:07 pm
by nafod
protobuilder wrote:My favorite part of Starship Troopers is the shower scene with the chick Charlie Sheen had kids with.
You're thinking of Denise Richards I bet, and she wasn't in that scene.
...and yet, you're still probably right.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:29 pm
by tough old man
WARHAMMER 40,000 all 75 books in the series.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:26 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
Manly Wade Wellman - any of the Silver John novels, which are mostly out of print, but might be found online if you look.
Wellman was a friend and contemporary of Leiber.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:03 pm
by dingleberry
Best sci fi book for kids is "A Wrinkle in Time" I read this in fifth grade and still remember it.
I'm in the middle of the "Song of Ice and Fire" series now. So far it has been enjoyable but it does plod from time to time.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:50 pm
by Yes I Have Balls
I've read many of those books, and have recently added many of them to my Amazon queue. A little shocked that John Norman's "Gor" series didn't make the list. Lot's of great sexual content for randy young teen dudes.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:49 am
by Dunn
Read a good many of these. In fact I am reading through Jordan's "Wheel of Time" right now.
I agree that Lieber and Wells should have been on there somewhere.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:00 pm
by tough old man
I would add most books by Dan Abnett.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:55 pm
by j-cubed
There's some contemporary books (say 1990 and above) which I think are just as good but not on the list because they are not "classics" - some on the lower portion of the list could be replaced with others pretty easily.
One of my favorites, Elizabeth Moon and her "Deed of Paksennarrion" should be on that list, but isn't.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:11 pm
by msr2112
Nary a mention of the great Phillip K. Dick! Only one in the top 100.
Recommendations:
Probably his most accessible: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (on the list)
Somewhere between really fucked up and pretty fucked up: A Scanner Darkly
Extremely fucked up (and that's putting it mildly): Ubik
Redefines fucked up and paranoid: Radio Free Albemuth
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:13 pm
by WildGorillaMan
Yes I Have Balls wrote:I've read many of those books, and have recently added many of them to my Amazon queue. A little shocked that John Norman's "Gor" series didn't make the list. Lot's of great sexual content for randy young teen dudes.
Even as a randy teen dude I was never able to finish reading a single Gor novel. Even to my less-educated sensibilities the writing was godawful, S&M notwithstanding.
As an interesting counterpoint, about a year ago I got my hands on a trove of small press hardcovers of Robert E Howard's works, mostly his less well known stuff, like Western, Weird Western, and other pulp genres that he's less famous for. I'm only now getting around to reading some of them.
I'm currently reading Almuric, which is about an earthman transported to a savage world where he himself becomes more savage than civilized and ends up triumphing. It's ground that has been well tread, owing much to Edgar Rice Burroughs, and of course many authors have followed, such as John Norman and his execrable Gor books.
Paleotards would love Almuric; it's a paen to the Western fascination with the Noble Savage and the notion that only by living wild can man be truly fulfilled. I bring this up mostly because as a counterpoint to Norman's misogyny, Howard's book carries his trademark chivalry that is evident in all his work, that even though the hero is a hard and stoic killer, he protects and venerates women, treating them with care and kindness at odds with the way he comes at the rest of the world with clenched fists. By contrast, the Gor books are little more than background fluff to support Norman's twisted fantasies.
Re: All right you nerds-- NPR Top 100 SF & Fantasy books
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:16 pm
by WildGorillaMan
tough old man wrote:WARHAMMER 40,000 all 75 books in the series.
There are some fantastic novels in both the 40k and fantasy series, but there are just as many that are dreck. I've bought almost all of them over the years, and while some I have read and re-read, the majority have gone to the used book store after one read.
Warhammer authors to seek out:
Dan Abnett
William King
Sandy Mitchell
Authors to avoid:
CS Goto. I'm pretty sure he's actually a retarded baboon with a typewriter.